Now I’m not defending any racist or hateful speech, but as someone who values the first amendment, I don’t like the idea of ‘protesting’ to prevent even ugly speech from being said. And here’s why: What’s to keep something the protesters say from being considered ‘hateful’ and ‘ugly’ in the future? Nothing! If that happened, then they’d be the first to bitch about their ‘rights’ being infringed!
Sorry, but if you want to protect your right to free speech, then that means enduring comments you may despise. Otherwise, you run the risk of having your speech taken away. What’s more important to you? Being able to keep your own speech or removing that which you disagree with?
It’s a dangerous slippery slope that way too many in this country are willing to go down to keep from being ‘offended.’ I don’t give a shit about being offended because I frankly don’t give a rip about what folks think about me. Yet, most people are so sensitive that they can’t just ignore something…no, it has to be silenced.
One day someone will come for their free speech and I hope they remember this day.
This was so ridiculous that I can’t even comment on it. I’ve dealt with two ABC agents in my life and both times they went for maximum intimidation. Both times I broke no laws and was in the clear, but their attitudes are only beaten by those of the BATF.
July 5, 2013
The Virginia Alcohol Beverage Control agency is changing its policy when it comes to certain operations.
The agency will now require at least one uniformed agent be on the scene during plain-cloths, undercover operations, like the one where ABC agents attempted to stop a UVa student who they thought had just bought beer.
The student attempted to flee, saying she didn’t know the men surrounding her car were ABC agents. In the process, the student’s car brushed aside two agents, and the student was arrested for assaulting an officer, those charges were later dropped.
July 5, 2013
Officials with the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control say it is very normal for their agents to not wear uniforms and be armed while on duty.
A handful of ABC agents are getting a lot of criticism after they swarmed University of Virginia student Elizabeth Daly on April 11 in the Harris Teeter parking lot at the Barracks Road Shopping Center. The agents assumed that Daly had purchased alcohol in the store. But she had actually bought sparkling water.
However, the agents arrested Daly when she tried to flee. The agents claim Daly grazed them with her car.
ABC employs roughly 100 undercover agents. Officials say, they rarely wear uniforms on the job. Their attire caused confusion for Daly and another student in the parking lot.
“We don’t know if they’re real police officers or not,” Daly’s friend said, in the phone call to 911 during the incident. “We’re freaking out. They weren’t in uniform and then they started holding up badges. We were surrounded by, like, six people and they started flashing — well — they were yelling at us and then we, like, didn’t know if they were real police officers.”
The ABC agents are sworn police officers. According to the ABC site, they must be “trained in a certified, full-time Virginia police academy.”
Shortly after the arrest, a witness called 911, claiming that he had witnessed “a gun being pulled at the Harris Teeter parking lot.”
ABC officials say all agents are required to carry a gun while on duty, just like other law enforcement officers.
ABC agents made 1,811 arrests in 2012, although officials could not say how many of those arrests were for underage drinking. However, a Virginia State Police report says ABC agents were involved in just three assault cases last year. That is what Daly ended up being charged with. Although that charge was later dropped.
ABC officials say agents choose stores at random to conduct undercover operations, although sometimes they target a store following a complaint. ABC records show that the Harris Teeter on Barracks Road had not had any ABC violations in at least the past six years.
Below is the transcript of the 911 call that Daly’s passenger made during the incident with ABC agents:
Caller: Hi, we have a problem in the Harris Teeter parking lot. We’re surrounded by people. (screaming)
911: Somebody frightened?
Caller: Oh, my God! (screaming in background)
911: What’s going on?
Caller: We don’t know if they’re real police officers or not and we’re freaking out. Oh, my God. I’m so sorry. We’re in the Harris Teeter —
911: Does somebody have a gun or something?
Caller: Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God!
911: Alright, what’s your name?
Caller: I’m ——- —————–
911: Who’s chasing you?
911: Who’s chasing you?
Caller: We, ok. So we were surrounded by like six people and they started flashing, well, they were yelling at us and then we, like, didn’t know if they were real police officers or not because they weren’t in uniform and then they started holding up badges, but we didn’t look at the badges because we were freaking out and so we started driving away. What should be do?
911: I would stop there, ok, because I think there actually are some ABC officials.
Caller: Ok, he said stop here. They are policemen. Can you crack the window?
911: (asking someone in room) Are there ABC agents there?
911: Are you out with them now?
Caller: Yes. What should we do?
911: Can I talk to one of them?
Caller: Yeah, can I , sir? (inaudible)
911: Hey this is 911, who are you guys with?
ABC: This is John Taylor with ABC.
911: Ok, that’s what I, that’s what I thought you might have been. They were really scared. I don’t think they knew you were cops.
ABC: All right, well, everybody’s showing badges and everything, and soon as we got in front of them they pulled up and tried to run over people.
ABC: That’s enough, I appreciate it, thank you.
911: All right. Thanks.
This happened in Charlottesville, Va., which is 50 miles west of the state capital, Richmond,Va.
On Friday, radio host Rob Schilling revealed the audio of a stunning 911 call placed by one “Ann, Downey,” apparently a passenger in the car driven by 20-year-old Elizabeth Daly as Virginia law enforcement from the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) surrounded the car. Daly was arrested on April 11, 2013, after she was surrounded by ABC agents who suspected that she had bought alcohol illegally due to her age. In fact, she had bought bottled water and cookie dough. While the officers surrounded the car, the passengers called 911.
The audio of the call is shocking. The women on the call begin crying “oh my God” and “what should we do,” asking for help from the 911 dispatcher. Daly later said that she feared the ABC officers wanted to break the windows of the car, and Daly left the scene of the incident at the behest of the 911 operator. She stopped once the 911 operator told her to do so after ascertaining the identity of the people surrounding the car.
The 911 operator speaks with one of the agents on the phone, and the agent says that everyone showed their badges, and that the driver “pulled up and tried to run over people.” All charges against Daly have been voluntarily withdrawn. No apology has been issued to Daly or her passenger.
For a small town, they definitely have big league kitchen talent up there.